“In Virtually Every Single Case the Citizens Who Were Ultimately Murdered Never Saw It Coming”

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While the NSA, FBI and other intelligence agencies mine and collect trillions of domestic electronic interactions of every American citizen, a large portion of the population simply assumes that nothing will ever come of it. “If I’m not doing anything wrong,” they say, “then who cares?”

True. Today you can go out, join a protest, scream to your heart’s content at Occupy and Tea Party assemblies, and under the First Amendment you are free to go about your business once done. You can insult politicians. You can discuss ‘conspiracy theories’ with your friends. You can post to forums, blogs and social networks and be totally immune from state-sponsored persecution and prosecution based on your beliefs and ideologies.

All the while, the government is cataloging your every interaction – who you’ve spoken with, where you’ve been, you’re political inclinations, religious beliefs, and your purchasing habits.

The data, for all intents and purposes, isn’t being used for any real overt purpose right here and now.

But as we’ve seen throughout history, governments change, as do the legalities of certain activities.

This week the U.S. Fifth Circuit court issued a ruling allowing the government to capture cell phone data without a warrant.

Ruling 2 to 1, the court said a warrantless search was “not per se unconstitutional” because location data was “clearly a business record” and therefore not protected by the Fourth Amendment.

At first glance, this may seem like no big deal, but as Karl Denninger explains, it may have serious life altering implications – not today, or tomorrow, but perhaps five years or a decade down the road.

That is, exactly what the NSA is grabbing from all cell carriers in bulk without a warrant.

“In bulk” means for everyone.

All the time.

The root of the problem here is not that it might lead to you “right now.”  It’s that the data, once acquired is never erased and thus becomes a record that can be used at any time in the future if it becomes politically (or otherwise) expedient to use in order to implicate you in something.

The usual argument on the other side is something along the lines of “I’m not doing anything wrong so I don’t care.”  Uh huh.

You’re a rather trusting sort, you know.  After all, there is no evidence that the government would ever turn into something evil at any time in your lifetime and then use that data to ex-post-facto link you to something they don’t like — right?

There’s no history of governments doing things like this, is there?  Oh wait — there is.  There are in fact dozens of such instances through history, and in virtually every single case the citizens who were ultimately murdered as a consequence never saw it coming 5, 10 or 20 years down the road because at the time they “consented” the evil thing wasn’t happening — yet.

The most-obvious of course is the Jews in Nazi Germany, but by no means the only example.  Indeed, the history when it comes to privately-owned arms is that material and serious constraints on their personal ownership tend to come 10 or 20 years before the citizens are murdered by their very own government.

This is much-more-insideous in that these “records” can be — and will be — used to link you to a political protest (e.g. “you were at the Washington Mall during the time that xxxx happened”) and while today that’s considered a protected activity who says it will be tomorrow?

The real error here is that “business records” are not accorded 4th Amendment protections.  Why not?  I give the cell company access to my location not because I want them to have it but because it is necessary for their systems to know where I am for the service I am contracting for to work.

The very premise under which the court ruled is incorrect — if you and I agree that you may have some piece of information for the purpose of providing me a service or good that does not mean that I am giving you license to use it for whatever other purpose you may cook up later on.

If we cannot get our government to respect the fact that private citizens and private companies have the right to allocate information for specific purposes and that doing so does not give a general level of permission to either entity to then use that data outside of the specific purpose for which it was negotiated then we need a new government that does respect that fact.


Via Market Ticker

Why do you think they’re collecting this data and investing hundreds of billions of dollars into massive NSA data centers where they can store, process and cross reference this data? These aren’t just shovel-ready Obama jobs to boost the economy.

There is a plan in place, and one day all of this data will be utilized by the government. And as we know, it’s never for the benefit of the people.

Everything you do right now is being monitored, and one day soon they’re going to use that data against you.

Let’s just hope the penalties for future violations based on past transgressions don’t come in the form of being lined up against a wall.

nazi-executionOf course, such things can’t possibly happen in the “modern” world, so we have nothing to worry about.

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  1. Ranchman says

    Yes, “it” CAN happen here, we know this. The day is coming when we should probably sever all ties to the digital age. All social media, email, cell phones…everything…will have to be discarded. The govt will use everything in its power to track certain people’s whereabouts, allowing them (the govt) to find and do with them what they will. The insurgents in war torn middle-east countries have learned this. They’ve gone “low-tech,” even to the point of hiding messages where the contact will find them or passing them by hand. This makes their enemy (that would be us) work much harder to catch them. When the day comes when the SHTF, throw away (or put in storage with batteries removed) all electronic communications tools, shut down your email, delete your social media and close them out. This way, you just might survive to fight another day.

  2. Defend The Constitution says

    Although most people are not that interested in what someone else should be free to do, it is precisely because we cannot know how people will make use of their liberty that it is so important.

  3. Montesquieu says

    While those opposing liberty claim that intellect magically begets knowledge, knowledge is actually gained through imitation and experience.

  4. Montesquieu says

    The individualist conception is similar to chemistry in the sense that the whole is made up of many parts, such as individual atoms.

  5. BRBruce says

    I think the “dumbing down” of America has worked even better than the designers imagined. People now are so dumb and dependent, they don’t take any of this seriously.

  6. Cam says

    Liberty’s idea of equality before the law is in eternal and irreconcilable conflict with the notions of subjective wealth redistribution and centralized control inherent to collectivism.

  7. englishrancher says

    5 10 or 20 years? No, how about less then 2 years. If the republicans lose the house, then every lefty agenda will be passed resulting in theft, imprisonment and assassinations of conservatives. For sure this will be happening in 2016.

  8. Snidely70448 says

    Germany established gun control in 1938. Jews were prohibited from owning firearms. From 1939 to
    1945, 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

    Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, without
    the means to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979 under General Idi Amin Dada, 300,000
    Christians and political rivals of Amin, unable to defend them­selves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    Cambodia established gun control in 1956. Between 1975 and 19793, 2,035,000 “educated” people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    In a March 1976 coup in Argentina, a military junta seized power and went on a campaign to wipe out left-wing terrorism with terror far worse than the one they were combating. For seven years thousands of people, most of them dissidents and innocent civilians unconnected with terrorism, were arrested and then vanished without a trace, the Argentinian service chief’s version of Hitler’s
    Nacht und Nebel directive. After democracy was restored in 1983, a national commission was appointed to investigate the fate of “los desaparecidos.” That report revealed the systematic
    abductions of men women and children and the methodical use of torture and murder. Human rights groups say up to 30,000 people were killed or “disappeared” as the military waged its campaign against a disarmed citizenry.

    The United Nations imposed gun control after civil war broke out in Bosnia-Herzegovina in 1992. Although the town of Srebrenica was a UN-designated “safe area,” in July of 1995 more than 7,000 unarmed Muslim men and boys were murdered by Serb forces as the UN forces in the town proved unable or unwilling to help its Muslim population.

    Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: at least 56 million… that we know about. The places are all too familiar: Stalin’s Russia, Nazi Germany, Communist China, Uganda, Rwanda, Guatemala, Cambodia, Armenia, The Sudan, Bosnia and many more.

  9. Snidely70448 says

    The Constitution protects certain rights of the people from the government. If someone thinks that those rights are inappropriate or harmful, there is a mechanism by which the Constitution can be

    The right to keep and bear arms predates the Constitution. It predates the USA. It predates the British Colonies. The 2d Amendment PROTECTS the right to keep and bear arms by guaranteeing
    that right “shall not be infringed” by government.

    Of course, like all rights, the right to keep and bear arms is
    subject to “Catch 22”, which is

    “They can do anything you can’t stop them from doing.”

    I for one will keep working to see the gun grabbers are stopped from doing what they want to do, which is disarm the American people, one bit at a time.

    The gun grabbers want to disarm the American citizen. An armed person is a citizen. An unarmed person is a subject. If the government has a monopoly on force, the citizen is at its mercy.

    Valerie Jarrett, at the very beginning of Obama administration, let the cat out of the bag:
    It was the weekend after the election in 2008. Valerie Jarrett was the co-chair of Obama’s transition team. She was being interviewed on NBC. He asked about the process of transition, and
    Jarrett responded “It is important that President-elect Obama is prepared to really take power and be ready to rule day one.”
    The USA does not have rulers, it has elected leaders who are subject to the constraints of the Constitution.

    “Progressive” Mayor Bloomberg of NYC, who is spending $12,000,000 – and counting – on an anti-gun advertising campaign recently said: “I do think there are certain times we should infringe on your freedom.” This is a guy who is always surrounded by armed guards.

    The government persuaded a federal judge with a perverse understanding of the values, history and language of the Constitution to sign a series of orders directing the largest telephone company in the United States and the largest Internet providers in the world to make available to the government’s prying eyes all sorts of information about nearly all of us, thus allowing the feds to monitor our use of land-line and wireless phones, as well as our use of emails and texts. The numbers are staggering. Verizon has more than 113,000,000 U.S. customers, who generate or receive more than 1 billion phone calls every day. Americans text and email one another using the services of Microsoft, Google, Yahoo, Facebook and others many billions of times every day.

    The judge’s order was profoundly unconstitutional, as is the section of the USA Patriot Act that authorized it. The Constitution requires that the government demonstrate to all judges being asked to sign search warrants specific evidence of criminal behavior contained in the things to be seized. It also requires that the warrants particularly describe the places to be searched or the people or
    things to be seized. In this case, the things being seized consist of digital data about nearly everyone in America, which in the hands of a skilled spy can be used to monitor our physical movements and communications and, according to former CIA Director David H. Petraeus, to predict them. The Patriot Act facilitates these dragnets by unconstitutionally reducing the standard for the issuance of search warrants. The president, who refuses to deny that his spies possess the content of our communications, claims they are not listening to it or reading it.

    The people of the USA only know about the judge’s order because Edward Snowden stole NSA documents at great risk to himself, and released those documents to the press. Whatever his motives, Snowden has done a monumental service to the people of the USA.

  10. Rom50 says

    Well, I’m prepared, I think. One thing they don’t want to clean up and that would be a lot of blood.
    I think they experimented in cases of all those stories of ‘sudden bird death’- remember those? I’d bet that was just an experiment. If the rotting, stinking stench of a corpse isn’t enough to make them sick to death themselves, then death is what they are all about. Come Lord Jesus- Send all the might Angels from Heaven and defeat our foes. Thank you.

  11. amabokcuf says

    Prepare for this marxist regime’s war against American citizens…

  12. Betty4440 says

    maybe GOD will destroy all that data base has collected on GOD fearing people. this is a shame. but the muslims can whine and cry about stuff like this and of course they will be exempt from all this. like the healthcare because it is against their religion. it is against my religion for him (obama) to collect all this stuff on my sisters and brothers. so all AMERICANS should be exempt from it.

  13. Zeon Deikun says

    Ha, Ha, Ha! Wake up kiddies, we have everything to worry about! Molon Labe!

  14. grassroot says

    The obvious Fascist tactics of the Liberals.

  15. drikk says

    In evacuating the World Trade Center, people left the line for evacuation of the buiding to go back to thier cubicles to turn off their computers. Some of them didn’t make it out. Didn’t occur to them that it was the last minute.

  16. jimpeel says

    Americans have become complacent due to the fact that the bad things always happen “over there.” They see the abuses in other countries and believe that the oceans will insulate them from the evil. Obama is just Robert Mugabe in a cheap suit who hasn’t had the chance, yet, to exercise his power against the American people.

    The last time the American people suffered was WWII. They have become fat, lazy, and apathetic over the years since then. That will catch up to them in the future.

    Gone is the American who won’t put up with being abused and, in fact, they now seem to seek abuse. They get lied to and they seem to enjoy it. More of their liberties and freedoms are eroded every day and they march to the tune. Outrage is now reserved for the eccentricities and foibles of athletes and movie stars or the latest use of the “N” word. More attention is paid to the latest “wardrobe malfunction” of some movie star or singer than the daily march to slavery being orchestrated in Washington, DC.

    It is said that those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. That repetition is coming like a runaway train and everyone is looking the other way. Their lament when it gets here is that they were “blind-sided” even though all of the signs were there the entire time.

  17. lilmuse says

    It won’t be that far down the road. Many people are seeing it today, they just don’t make the propaganda news. And we continue to ask … how does a swat team come to a family’s door based on what they google? Just one example.

  18. bobh2010 says

    And don’t think for a second that they aren’t in fact recording all of our telephone conversations. I’d bet they are. But we won’t find out about it for another couple of years. I know…..Clapper said that they only record conversations “inadvertently”. Yeah….”inadvertently”……just like “inadvertently” there’s a gas station on every corner. How stupid do they think we really are. Oh, OK, asked and answered.

    1. FedupandReadytofight says

      Overload them with BS. Text BS. Talk BS. Lead them totally off into an overloaded world of data.
      And keep your weapons oiled and loaded.

      1. petie3 says

        There is not enough BS. NSA stores terrabytes. Libertarianism may be insufficient, perhaps anarchy???

  19. $4119491 says

    What the democrats standing in the picture with their rifles do not understand is, there’s ten times as many of the lone target/victim standing behind them with THEIR rifles. And they’re NOT aiming at the lone victim.

  20. Tim David says

    Another problem is this nebulous concept of “something to hide.” In 1932, in Germany, you probably didn’t need to hide the fact that you were Jewish. Prior to the most recent “assault rifle” ban, you probably didn’t think you needed to hide the fact that you owned an AR-15. Under this current government mindset, one can never be sure what one has to hide. New rules and regulations are not meant to be obeyed, that would accomplish nothing. They are meant to be so confusing and even contradictory, that it is impossible for a person to not be in violation of something. And that is the object, to make everyone guilty of something, because it is impossible to rule over completely innocent human beings.

    1. $4119491 says

      The Demonrats are using the good old Cajun method of boiling a frog. Put the frog in cold water in the pot. He don’t jump much. Then, just turn the heat up ever so slowly till the frog, he done BOILED.

      1. grassroot says

        And the Saul Alinsky tactics. Following the Fabyan Socialist

        methods, named after the Roman General Fabius Maximus.

        Who used greatly different methods to overcome his enemies.

  21. IHateLibs says

    Nuthin like a Good Old COMMIE Police State IS there

  22. Alan Lopez says

    Perhaps using snail mail would thwart their plans as would more face to face meets.

    1. dancingontheheadofapin says

      Every piece of mail is scanned at the post office and that info is available to the police (or CIA,FBI) as needed.

  23. Ricarrdo estavans says

    So I guess we have to keep our mouths shut, stop blogging, shut our cell phones, stop making comments, etc. Over and out. I will still keep may powder dry.

    1. IHateLibs says

      LOCKED n LOADED Big time Here.. 24-7-365. Everywhere I Go

    2. Alan Lopez says

      For sure Rick .

    3. Skepticles says

      Riccarrdo estavans, wouldn’t isolating yourself make you easier to handle, since it would be “just you” an organized group would be dealing with. Now imagine a whole society of disorganized,”just you’s”. Now that disconnected society COULD be easily controlled by an organization, couldn’t it?
      moral: network smart like your life depends on it.

    4. dancingontheheadofapin says

      NO! NO! NO! We can NOT keep our mouths shut or stop using cell phones and we most definitely can NOT stop commenting. Our Founders showed us the way in the last sentence of our Declaration of Independence.

      “And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”

      These were wealthy, educated men, prosperous in their own right, not through royal decree and they valued freedom to the point that they made that promise, that dedication, that declaration that it was ALL or Nothing ! Can we do less? I think Not! Be brave. Our courage may be all we have left in the end. Read Patrick Henry’s famous speech, “Give me Liberty, or Give me Death.” It will put things in perspective for us present day Americans.

  24. farrightextreme says

    One of the biggest dangers to this country is the belief of many people that “It can’t happen here.”

    1. Alan Lopez says

      So true ,unfortunatly .

    2. Marlin208 says

      I think people are beginning to see IT is happening here and we do not like it.

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