Joe for America

Is a Teabagger Welcome in a Union Shop?

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I was just recently hired on at Chrysler. Can a conservative work safely and soundly in a union environment – in a shop filled with union workers, activists, voters and life-long supporters of the Democrat Party? You betcha..

Yes, I have a website that puts out conservative news. Yes, I am part owner of a gun company. Yes, I’m a Republican who was cast into the limelight for having the temerity to confront Barack Obama on the question of redistributing wealth… But I’m a working man and I’m working.

Since I became part of the zeitgeist I’ve been called a sellout many times – as if the Republican Party sends me a check every month for towing the Party line somehow – but anyone familiar with my online or public activism knows I could care less about either Party and for the most part, they want nothing to do with me. I’ve always found a way to make my way, and now I’ve had the fortune of being hired by a great company – Chrysler Corporation – one of the original Big Three.

I’m no different than anyone else working at this company in that I want to fix my house up, pay off some bills, provide a secure future for my family and that doesn’t have a Party affiliation as far as I know. So, like many Americans who want more, they get out and do more. I wasn’t hired because I’m Joe “The Plumber” but on the other hand, if that’s who people know me as, so be it – that I can’t control. There are a few other things I can’t control either:

In order to work for Chrysler, you are required to join the Union, in this case UAW. There’s no choice – it’s a union shop – the employee’s voted to have it that way and in America that’s the way it is. I have lived in Toledo, Ohio off and on throughout my entire life and I have plenty of friends who are union members. Sometimes we agree politically and sometimes not, but it has never kept us from being friends. I wondered if this would be the case at my new job, so..

I had three days of orientation, and now I’m “on the job” over here at Chrysler and on Day 4, I’m outside on a break smoking a cigarette and right on cue – some guy calls me a “teabagger.”

Now, I would be remiss if I didn’t mention that Democrats and liberals, who are supposed to so tolerant and enlightened regarding homosexuals have for three or four years now, have been using a gay slur to describe people who they think are associated with the Tea Party. “Tea Bagger” has traditionally been a derogatory slur used to intimidate, put down, humiliate and otherwise taunt, smear, bully or just discriminate against gays – usually gay men – based on a sex act that gay men apparently made popular.

Decorum prevents me from describing it – they got this thing called “Google” now for that – but suffice it to say that the double-standard for what Democrats can say and what conservatives can say continues unabated, but still I thought to myself, did this guy think I’m gay, or was he making a statement of my political affiliation? I tried talking to him, but he went off about how he was a “journeyman” and started walking away.

I asked him if he recognizes the training we receive in the military in the trades as legitimate, but he didn’t seem interested in a serious discussion and just rushed off…

No biggie. I honestly don’t think he meant any real harm and probably is a good guy. Most people are in this world and the fact is, the people who work at Chrysler are the same as the people who work everywhere. They want the same things, and so what if they disagree politically – it’s healthy. Teabagging is another thing though. Yikes!

Then I got to thinking about walking a mile in his shoes: My website, JoeForAmerica.com put out an article about the Volkswagen auto plant in Tennessee rejecting the UAW and choosing (through a private vote) to stay union free. Because of this article, it was put out at the plant that I hate the UAW. No one asked me my opinion or talked to me about it other than to spread that little tidbit of information.

bigcarBut there’s a big difference between private unions and public unions and I have never made it a secret that I do not like public unions because taxpayers are never properly represented at the bargaining table. People need to be educated that, in fact, it was President Jimmy Carter who ended collective bargaining rights for Federal workers because of this very fact. President Carter knew it was not in the best interest of America or Americans and he is an icon of the left.

Private Unions, such as the UAW, is a choice between employees and employers. If that is what they want then who am I to say you can’t have it? It’s an American worker’s right to unionize for sure, but that being said don’t expect me not to point out when or if Union leadership takes advantage of union members.

And if a union member wants to complain about their union or the upcoming 2015 contract – it’s also their right to do so – would anyone argue with that?

Anyone who knows me would never dare disparage all members of unions because they know I’d rip into them. Most Union workers have not been been mean and quite a few asked me questions, and talked with me and are cool with me. To say that all union members are one way or another is absolutely ridiculous and flat out wrong. I am happy that Chrysler has given me a job, I only hope the UAW lets me keep it.

I’ve always prided myself on being myself and I intend to do so going forward.  Now who really will be tolerant or not…… ?

Sincerely; Joe Wurzlebacher

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  • Jim

    Im not quite sure when union members became public enemy number one with conservatives but as a NYC Fireman I belong to a union. Im a former Marine who is very conservative on most issues. The union issue makes no sense to me. As an American first but also a union member I do NOT vote democrat nor do I automatically vote republican. IMO the democratic party has become the socialist party and the republican party is the protector of wall street criminals and the one percenters who pay less percentage of their income in taxes than I do then hide their money offshore or in stock so they don’t have to pay what they should. There is currently no party that represents the working man.

    Because of my union I receive fair pay for doing a dangerous job. When I first started the job in 1991 we were still wearing jeans and rubber pull up boots as protective gear. Due to my unions efforts the city was FORCED to fit us with bunker gear that was being worn by the rest of the country. It has saved countless lives since. Without the unions both political parties would walk all over city agencies until no one qualified could afford to work as a cop or fireman. By law we cannot strike nor would we. We as a group are proud, loyal and love our jobs and the city uses that to take advantage of us. Without speaking as a whole(through the union) we wouldn’t have a chance at decent wages or proper safety gear.

    Im tired of hearing how the city cant afford to pay us either. We all pay into our pensions, we pay city,state and federal taxes. We contribute to our city 24 hours a day 365 days a year and we pay back into the system. We buy houses and pay real estate taxes. Are we the blood suckers who destroyed the economy?

    Ive worked as a Marine and a Fireman since I was 18. I have served both my country and city with great pride and when I retire hope to start my own business. Isnt that what being an American citizen is all about? My question is this if the democrats want to take my hard earned money and hand it to those who do not work and the republicans want to destroy the unions so white collar types can get richer who is really looking out for the working man? The answer is NO ONE!

  • Serpent

    Holy crap. An employed Republican! Its a miracle!

  • Mark Mathu

    How did you manage to misspell YOUR OWN NAME at the bottom
    of this piece?

  • 58proudtobe

    Unions are a organized racket funding this corrupt administration, plain & simple. Obama should have just mailed the unions a check as payback instead of touting & funding (with taxpayers $) his new “manufacturing innovation zones” in Chicago & Detroit.

  • Daniel Gray

    Joe you should be ashamed of yourself. You know what this name means. So why use it

  • DAY8293A

    I don’t mind having to join the union, but I should be able to keep them from using my dues to support a candidate I don’t like… That is theft, taking my money wrongfully and using it against my wishes..

  • Sunshine Kid

    I believe in the right to work, not the right to have two bosses. As Joe said, he hopes the UNION lets him keep his job. Does the union pay him, or is he paid by Chrysler? It is time to disband abusive unions.

  • loran

    Joe, you are correct about people being ignorant about the difference between public and private industry unions. The difference is huge. The consequence of these differences is unfunded liabilities which place the burden right on the taxpayer.

  • your neighbor

    Hey, Joe – try reading your own posting policy and compare it to your own offensive, vulgar, profane, all caps, discourteous headline. Did you write that headline ?

  • Curtis

    I have no use for unions. They were once necessary but, having lobbied for changes in law to protect workers, child labor, etc, they have long since outlived their usefulness and are now only self serving.

    If I owned a business and the employees even suggested a vote, I’d shut my doors. That is exactly what my grandfather did. He paid a fair wage for work performed. The workers got greedy and wanted double that – he said no. When the union organizers and employees showed up at the worksite later that week for their vote, the doors were locked, the lights were turned out and there were chains across the entryway access. His workers decided they needed their jobs and that they weren’t really being treated so unfairly as the union organizers lead them to think.

    Joe. Dude, you rock.

  • jimoaklanduniv

    Congrats Joe!! You are a lucky guy to find a job in this OBAMA DEPRESSION!! In spite of the UNION THUGS, there are some union members who have some commonsense that’s EXACTLY why we need Right to work, instead of being FORCED to pay dues to these UNION THUGS so they can put Criminals in office! Hopefully OH will soon be a Right to work state too!

  • brs02

    Chrysler… one of the Big Three, sold to Fiat for $0.0. TAnyways, the part missing regarding private versus public unions is the amount of arm twisting private corporations experience at the hands of politicians/governments, supported buy the unions. It corrupts the system, there is plenty of blame to go around for the industrial downfall of American, including bad deals made buy private companies with the unions, but it was not without undue public influence either.

  • pete0097

    It is a shame that the radical leftists have the cushy jobs in the unions while the workers get what they are allowed by the unions. The workers just don’t realize that the officials have ulterior motives that are primarily there to make themselves money

  • J.W.

    Bulls–t. Another reporter trying to support his agenda by creating something that doesn’t exist. I live in a town where the main employment is union auto workers. Many are my friends. We bowl togather , we drink togather and we often meet for coffee. Now I am conservated, but I can tell you right now, most of these friends are much more conservative than I am. Sure they support their unions, thats their bread and butter, but they support their country first. They stand behind the constitution, traditional marriage, fair tax, less government, terms limites, etc.. So stop tring to fullfill your wishfull thinking. They are not any different than most of us.

  • Robert Scott

    As a Union worker for the past 16 years, all I can say is that you are an incredible hypocrite for working in a closed shop. You and the cronies you fellated to be a pivot man in their anti-labor orgies you spoke and campaigned on have helped to destroy America worse than any hundred Al-Qaida members. It is unfortunate that a piece of fecal matter like you can get a job with Chrysler while candidates who are more deserving don’t have a relative who works there to help them get in, or access to an internet connection to get them an application. You are a despicable human being and a terrific example of what is wrong with our country. Go shoot yourself in the face with Sarah Palin’s moose rifle.

  • Craig Lane

    So are you a plumber there? Oh wait that’s right all of that was a lie.So you have always prided yourself on being a liar. You are a joke. Your name and America mean different things.

  • Evan

    The tide has turned, Joe. Needed a job? Guess you needed to join a union, huh. Thought you were a plumber.

  • http://circuitsurfers.com/about/ Teutonic13

    I used to think you were a jerk. But if what you wrote above is truly your writing- then kudos to a well put together piece. The style I admire- we are a little different on politics- but as I said- you articulated your position very well.

  • Melissa

    The Tea Party were the first ones to call themselves teabaggers – before they knew what the sexual connotation to the word was. Sorry. Own it. You just have to Google images of TP-ers at meetings to see the banners.

  • Paulelectrician

    What? Looks like you crapped in your pants too!

  • WakeUpAmerica

    Bear in mind, Joe, that if employees have safe working environments and are given a fair share of the profit THEY create for the company, there would be no unions. No one would join. Unions exist because of safety hazards and unfair hiring, firing, and salary practices.

    • buzzman1

      In the beginning unions were great and did those things however those days are long gone. If unions are so great how come they are almost non existant now and probably wouldnt exist is the democrats in congress didnt protect them.

      • WakeUpAmerica

        “…are almost non-existent….”
        That may be true in your state, but it definitely isn’t true in my state. Unions are the only protection workers have. Why do you think anti-union WalMart is making billions in profits yet so many of their FULL-TIME employees need public assistance to feed their families? The bastards are making obscene profits off the backs of their workers, but they are too greedy to share that profit. They are pro-conservative with their beliefs, and yet they run their company in such a way that forces the government to help the Walmart employees. What’s wrong with that picture?

        • buzzman1

          I am not a fan of walmart but neither am I a fan of those economy killing commie organizations you seem to love. You don’t have to work at walmart and if you get a damned education you could get a better job. Also workers are suffering in walmart because of Obama and not because they are non union.
          How about you starting your own business and then voluntarily making it a union shop. You’ll be out of business in 6 months. People don’t sytart business to be welfare programs.

          • WakeUpAmerica

            How is a union communist?
            I don’t work at WalMart. I have a reasonably good job, and I am well-educated. Don’t make assumptions.
            Workers are suffering at WalMart because of the greed of the Walton family. Sam Walton spins in his grave every day for what his family is doing to the workers. How the hell do you conflate President Obama and WalMart? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. You are merely repeating crap you have heard.

            I belong to a union and I’m damn grateful for it. Without it, anyone could be fired at whim. There would be no benefits or pensions, no breaks, vacation, fair hiring and promoting practices, no over-time, no holiday pay, hazardous working conditions, 50 hour weeks, and no mandatory lunch breaks for full shifts. Because of my union, my boss couldn’t give his unqualified girlfriend (btw he was married) my job even though he gave it a damn good try. How that makes my union “commie” is beyond me.

          • buzzman1

            I knew it! How did I know you were a good union member? Because only a union guy would spout the stupid crap you do.

          • WakeUpAmerica

            Again you make assumptions. How can you possibly know my gender? What is your point? I belong to a union, and I explained why that is a good thing. You respond with an ad hominem attack. Do you know anything about intelligent discourse? This is why it appears you are just repeating false memes that you have heard without doing any research on your own. Open your mind and try to discover the facts on your own.

    • rs1123

      That is nonsense. Unions exist to push an agenda that gets them more members, more dues and assessments, more money, and in turn, more power. They don’t give a rat’s @ss about workers’ safety. VW of America’s workers are well paid and I doubt they are in peril for their safety but the UAW tried by hook and crook to get those workers on their dues list. Your claim is sadly baloney.

      • WakeUpAmerica

        I’m sorry, but you are greatly mistaken. I can’t say that doesn’t happen in some unions, but it isn’t the case in most. The workers would turn on the unions. It isn’t in their best interests to piss off all the workers.

    • GomeznSA

      If you had stated that unions USED to exist because of safety hazards etc you would have been correct – there are numerous state and federal laws and organizations that now do that – can you say OSHA (I knew you could) – BTW just how many of those organizations are now de facto controlled by unions?
      Your first sentence captures the essence of the problem – according to unions NO company could possibly have survived without them.

      • WakeUpAmerica

        You make a good point, and not all unions are created equal. However, unions became political to protect the ground they had gained. The anti-union factions own their own politicians and are constantly fighting to erode the good laws that were made. They would like nothing better than to kill OSHA and whistle-blower laws.

  • WakeUpAmerica

    i would also like to point out that if it weren’t for President Obama’s policies, you would not be working for Chrysler. It would be dead and buried. How about giving credit where credit is due?

    • rs1123

      He is working for Fiat, not Chrysler, thanks to Obama.

      • WakeUpAmerica

        And what policies would that be?

  • WakeUpAmerica

    First, Joe, Tea Party referred to themselves as “Teabaggers” in the beginning of the movement. Second, they probably shouldn’t have people hanging tea bags on their clothes and hats when the demonstrate if they don’t want to be called teabaggers. Third, it isn’t a gay slur. If it were a gay slur directed at the Tea Party, it would eliminate recognition of the women in the movement wouldn’t it? Teabagging can be guy and girl or guy and guy. You are too ignorant to have your own blog. However, like the Tundra Turd, I’m sure you will appeal to an equally ignorant demographic. Best of luck in your journey.

    • fez

      I don’t know of any TEA party that called themselves “tea baggers”. The tea bags were to represent the first tea party against the British because of taxation without representation. Those in the movement right now are good intelligent people who care about their country. The president’s first response was that he didn’t think much about them. His current actions show differently. He wants to crush those who would dissent against him.

      • WakeUpAmerica

        I watched it live on the news as they interviewed people at the rallys. I’m sorry you missed it, but it is a fact. You might be able to find them on YouTube.

    • ICorps

      I would suggest that you check your calendar. It’s 2014, not 1914. But, of course, liberals have no grasp of reality, including the dramatic change in unions. So, In keeping with your anachronistic proclivities, I am going to make a bold prediction: the archduke of Austria will be assassinated on June 28th,1914, and Germany and Britain will fight a 4-year war in the trenches of France. BUY LIBERTY BONDS!

      Regarding President Obama’s “saving” Chrysler, it’s most likely that Chrysler would not have been in the position of becoming “dead and buried” in the first place if it weren’t for Obama’s policies.

      As a long-time member of the Tea Party, I can unequivocally state that we never referred to ourselves as “tea baggers.” That was, and is, a slur, deliberately chosen for its malicious derision because, despite the contrary claims of leftist posters, of its clear identification with homosexual practice and jargon. And, surprisingly for a liberal, you do not understand the nature of slurs. A slur does not need grammatical agreement with the subject to be offensive.

      • Melissa

        There are actual rally banners of TP-ers calling themselves that. You can Google it.

        • rs1123

          Liberal plants in the audience.

          • Melissa

            Of course they are.

      • Kevin O’connor

        President Obamas Policies? Chrysler’s Bankruptcy petition was filed on April 30, 2009.

        President Obama was inaugurated as president on January 20, 2009. And you think 3 months of his Policies caused it. That’s just goofy.

    • rs1123

      I highly doubt that the Tea Party started calling themselves derogatory names of any sort first. The left is the side which always calls names. No ‘Tea Party’ person would make fun of their own organization even if they didn’t know what ‘teabagging’ is. The left constantly uses the term and I bet anything they were the first to use it on the Tea Party – because they love making childish name-calling a first tactic.

      • Kevin O’connor

        It really doesn’t matter what you highly doubt..They named themselves tea baggers..period.

  • MarkBMorrow

    I hope that you appreciate the fact that Chrysler and your new job are still around because of the actions taken by President Obama that many of your political friends on the right were against. Congratulations on the new job. The benefits you will receive were fought for by your union brothers

    • rs1123

      Obama screwed my state which had bought preferred Chrysler stock for our state employee pension fund. We ended up having to sell our stock for the common stock price and lost a fortune. Thanks a lot Obama.

      • MarkBMorrow

        Your state would have done much worse in a Chrysler bankruptcy.

      • Kevin O’connor

        Your state tried to screw the Chrysler workers by betting on a strip and flip bankruptcy…you got what you deserve.

      • WakeUpAmerica

        Sure all his fault. If he is such a fuck-up, why is the stock market doing so well? Why is the deficit cut in half, and why is unemployment down? Who increases taxes the most and the deficit? GOP Don’t believe it? Spend some time at the GAO and do some research. Find the truth. Stop believing everything Fake News tells you.

  • KarenJ

    If you lose your Chrysler job, Joe, it’s most likely because you’re “last hired, first fired”. It’s only fair.

  • Craig Cook

    FYI, Teabagging is/was not a “gay” word. It means for a man to put his testicles in a woman’s mouth. While yes it would be the same for men/men, if you are going to send us to “Google” to see what it means, please at least have the correct definition. Wasn’t very hard, it is the first one in the listing.

    • ICorps

      What more authoritative source than Google?

      • WakeUpAmerica

        Umm, Google isn’t the source. Google helps you find the source. Here’s your sign.

    • Melissa

      Exactly! And these guys started calling themselves that before they knew what the sexual connotation of the word was.

      • rs1123

        No, it was the left which ever and always resorts to childish name-calling, since ridicule is one of the rules for radicals.

        • Kevin O’connor

          You are entirely wrong…and really silly too.

          • Daniel Gray

            Nope YOU are completely wrong and stupid as well. Look it up and see who started using this term first, It was the Democrats/Liberals by a good six months. Busted in a lie yet again I see.

        • jimoaklanduniv

          You are Right On rs, all you have to do it look at their mentor the LIAR in chief and listen,,if you can stand it,, to the Idiot spew his LIES and CRAP daily!!!

  • Chubbarow

    Another member of the reactionary working class joins a rank and file cadre of what Lenin described as “useful idiots”. Who knew in 2008 that Joe the Plumber would be throwing in his lot in 2014, with Americans whose dream is to expropriate the expropriators?

  • Kyle Miller

    Great post, Joe! I am a conservative, and I work as a public employee. This means that no matter what, I am forced to hand over a portion of my paycheck each month to a public union (SEIU 1199) that basically acts as a money laundering scheme for the radical left wing political agenda. Left wing fascists are always telling me that I should not be allowed to have my job because of my political beliefs. I believe that I can take pride in my work while at the same time fighting against the public union leviathan that is hurting workers and taxpayers alike. Unions – public and private alike – should be forced to exist based on their merits, otherwise we get the corrupt machine that has plagued the public sector for decades.

    P.S. If the left wing wacko who harassed you on your break continues to spout hatred at the workplace, I would recommend building a case against your employer for allowing a hostile work environment to exist.

    • standbehindtheyellowline

      You know, if giving any of your paycheck that is used “as a money laundering scheme for the radical left wing political agenda” goes against your principals, why do stay? You can go any where else and work for less so that the wages you are not getting can go to the money laundering scheme for the radical right wing political agenda. But I see you like making a bit more and supporting the underhanded crooks from under that rock!

      • rs1123

        Blah blah blah. I see the UAW has their members out in force today attacking Joe. How long before the union finds a way to lay him off?

        • standbehindtheyellowline

          It would be in their best interest, I’m sure. Where are the names of those jobs again?

      • Kyle Miller

        @standbehindtheyellowline:disqus Your money laundering scheme is a figment of your imagination, whereas the one I described is quite real. Your argument is based on a false premise. You fail to acknowledge that economic freedom in states that don’t force workers to give a part of their paycheck to a union is HIGHER than in those that have laws that do. Your comment also ndicates to me that you have no idea what money laundering IS. Such ignorance serves as a partial explanation as to why you are the kind of person who is comfortable with public unions stealing taxpayer dollars (after all that’s how public employees are paid) and giving that money to radical left wing activist groups who use that money for the purpose of fighting against the interests of those taxpayers they stole from.

        I’ll pass on your idiotic suggestion that I quit my job. I refuse to be bullied by left wing fascists into giving up my livelihood just because I am able to point out an injustice that they have perpetrated against taxpayers and workers. It really gets on the nerves of folks like yourself, but I take great joy in concurrently doing my job, and subverting the power of the corrupt union that has infected my workplace.

        I understand why it frightens you. As someone who has experienced the various negative effects of public employee unions first hand, I am quite adept at informing my coworkers, family, friends, and social media users about how and why public employee unions are corrupt. And I take great pride in fighting for the establishment of law that will prevent workers from being forced into giving any portion of their paycheck to a corrupt union that does little to represent them in workplace matters or otherwise.

        • standbehindtheyellowline

          You are SOOOO full of sh$$! The Republicans are so much more corrupt. They’re the party of Jack Abramoff, Tom DeLay, Bob Ney, Ralph Reed and scores of other corrupt politicians that literally sell their votes to corporate interests. Note: None were to union corporations. They’re the ones that let the pharmaceutical industry write the Medicare Part D disaster and let the big oil industry help write their energy bill. Umm Wachovia Corp. (a non-union Republican supporter) laundering drug money scandal?http://www.globalresearch.ca/money-laundering-and-the-global-drug-trade-are-fueled-by-the-capitalist-elites/20210

          So you can pretend that the non-union private sector is so innocent as much as you want. That is just turning a blind eye to the truth. I’m not even going to get into big oil, the Koch Bros and 100′s more right now.

          “You fail to acknowledge that economic freedom in states that don’t force workers to give a part of their paycheck to a union is HIGHER than in those that have laws that do” The biggest lie above. The 10 poorest states are red and “right to work”.

        • WakeUpAmerica

          You’re the one with the false premises. Saying that right-to-work states have more economic freedom is odd. How is that measured? What does it even mean? Second, saying that unions steal taxpayer money is completely false and libelous. Statements like that are known as hyperbole. So exactly what union are you referring to and how is it corrupt?

    • Kevin O’connor

      Actually where your pride should fail is the fact that a union person voting conservative is exactly the same as a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders!

      • Kyle Miller

        When’s your third birthday? I’ll send you some tea.

        • WakeUpAmerica

          So, you make a fair point. The flip side of that is that the non-union member totally benefits from the efforts of the union in bargaining without paying a fair share. While there are some corrupt unions for sure, it would be disingenuous to infer that all or even most are corrupt.

  • ktrav

    Right wing nonsense. You have no idea what you’re talking about and never have.

  • mac4242

    You are now a commie socialist. What a joke you have become

  • djcelts

    LOL…….. a union guy? Hypocrite much?

    • rs1123

      He has no CHOICE but to join the union if he wants the job. Dense much?

      • djcelts

        Then have some principles and DONT TAKE THE JOB. No one is forcing him to take the job are they? You can’t rail on and on against something and then say, “Oh well, they are going to pay me so forget all that stuff I said before. just kidding.” You either stand for something or you don’t.

        • brs02

          So it is better to be unemployed on the government payroll that to earn a wage and perhaps change the system from within? Ever notice that the DNC never splits, none of the power brokers in the DNC want Obama, but every one of the got behind him, and largely remain there. No dissent in the ranks and they are winning.

        • jimoaklanduniv

          LOL!! you are prob one of those obamabot Parasites who Suck dollars from those like Joe who are working and sit in your trailer park all day and do Nothing but spew your CRAP on the internet!!! Joe believes in WORKING and thanks to the Union Thugs, he HAS to join the union, HELLO, anybody home up there!!??? It is light years better than being a Welfare Parasite!! DUH!!

          • djcelts

            Are those his only two options: welfare or work at a union shop? Again, if you are against unions in principle then do not take a job where you are forced to join a union. This is like someone who is against abortions taking a job at a clinic because “I couldn’t find one anywhere else.” Of course he could find a job thats not union, but he took one because it pays more. That is the definition of a hypocrite. Instead of calling me names you should be asking him why he sold out his principles for a job.

      • Daniel Gray

        He does NOT have to join a union to keep his job..so are YOU dense much? Most employees are not told by their employer and union that full union membership cannot lawfully be required. In Pattern Makers v. NLRB, 473 U.S. 95 (1985), the United States Supreme Court held that union members have the right to resign their union membership at any time or refuse to join one as a condition of employment and cannot be denied employment if they refuse to join the union.

        The Supreme Court, in Communication Workers v. Beck, 487 U.S. 735 (1988),
        ruled that objecting nonmembers cannot be required to pay union dues. The most that nonmembers can be required to pay is an agency fee that equals their share of what the union can prove is its costs of collective bargaining, contract administration, and grievance adjustment with their employer.Usually this is only one hours wages.

        Next time you want to open your mouth on a subject, at least have the decency to know what the bloody heck you are talking about so you dont keep having to remove your foot from your mouth

        • Larry

          You are wrong about what you are saying. If it not a right to work state, you will join the union, if there is one, or you will be fired. It I called a closed shop. I know because I worked for several companies, including Chrysler, in a union state. I have also worked in a right to work state. There you could join the union that had union rights, but each employee determines whether hey want to join or not.

          • Daniel Gray

            Jack I am dead on accurate in my statements. I site chapter and verse what the law says and dont really give a flying monkeys butt what you think. In the decision NOTHING was said about ANYONE being able to break federal law and then use the excuse of it being a closed shop. And get off your cheetoes eating butt and LOOK at the UAW Constitution Article 16 entitled a chapter conscientious objector chapter. Or did this little matter slip your mind because it proves you dont know what your talking about?

            “The Labor Management Relations Act of 1947 (also known as the Taft-Hartley Act) made the closed union shop ILLEGAL in the United States. The Supreme Court in Pattern Makers v. NLRB, 473 U.S. 95 (1985), also held that a union member may resign from the union or refuse to join one, at any time without notice, thereby enabling the worker to work during a strike without being subject to sanctions from the union.Under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA), as amended by the Taft-Hartley Act, and held by the Supreme Court in Communications Workers of America v Beck, a union may require that employees either join the union OR pay an agency fee. The agency fee is only that portion of union dues that is attributable to the cost of representing employees in collective bargaining and in providing services to all represented employees, but not to the union’s political activities or organizing employees of other employers.”

            So I guess you need to sit down and shut up as you obviously have no darn idea what the bloody he!! you are talking about and you have just been shown as much. You may now remove your foot from your mouth.

  • tradertom2

    I thought Joe was an average guy – but he writes like a pro.

    • chedd

      He doesn’t actually write or edit his posts. Think Sarah Palin and Facebook.

    • KarenJ

      Actually, not. “Tow the line”? No, it’s “toe the line”. And he misuses apostrophes: “the employee’s voted to have it that way”.

  • Jim Williams

    Congratulations on your new job! As a card carrying union member for 40 years, and a union officer for over a decade, welcome to a union shop. As we all know unionism isn’t popular with many conservatives, however, it was unionists like Lech Walensa that helped to end communism in Poland through their solidarity movement. Many dictatorial countries have killed unionists, or severely limited their freedom of speech and action, like Iran that recently tortured a union leader there.

    You will find that many unionists are conservative in their political views, and only a few, are radical leftists. Most of the radical leftists are in the upper ranks of the different unions.

    Just as big companies, like Chrysler, Ford, GM and others have their own collusions to control labor and keep the labor forces at odds with each other; it’s all a part of the politic-economic process.

    Unions give the little guy working on the floor a voice and legal representation in negotiating salaries and benefits, and a process for handling discipline if the situation arises, little more.

    In the case of discipline, it will go to the national labor relations board for final disposition.

    As a union officer, I helped save a few people’s job, and kept them from being fired due to personality conflicts. In a non-union shop, that person would have been summarily fired without recourse.

    Unions have “some” good to them, or they would never have lasted as long as they have. Most union members “resent” having to pay dues, until a need arises to help them keep their jobs, then they were glad they had their dues up to date.

    • MikeyParks

      They might resent paying dues that will be used to support Socialist causes and candidates. They also might resent the iron-fisted lack of freedom imposed by union shops. They also might resent the thuggery that’s rampant in many unions. Other than that unions are great.

    • Daniel Gray

      BULL. If many unionists are conservative as you try and claim, they WHY does the vast lion of the money they donate go to DEMOCRAT candidates. And even though the federal election laws clearly state that you cannot use anything purchased by union money for one specific candidate, then WHY are all the Democrat election campaigns held at a Union hall? And not one Republican is?

      I worked at Chrysler for over 20 years and the last thing I needed was for union thugs to come along and take my dues and then give them to some jerk that I didnt agree with all because they were a Democrat!

      I filed a complaint, and what did my union steward do? they gave it to my committee person who stuck it in her back pocket and that was the end of it. She never recorded it as she was required to do. She never placed it in rotation for it to be heard as she was required to do and she never acted on it as she was required to do. When I complained to the regional after trying to get this corrected by the Local president and Committee and got nowhere, it took a threat of a federal felony lawsuit to the UAW National President and Committee to get ANYTHING done and when the courts agreed with me, ALL the committee and the president was removed from their office, and I was almost fired numerous times for what others received a talking to for. When again my attorneys and a federal judge warned the UAW NOT to keep harassing me or else, they finally left me alone. And this was Region 2B which covers almost half of Indiana-All of Ohio and part of Michigan. In fact these morons are saying that Region 2B supports Democrat Candidates in Toledo Ohio. Now tell me chuckles, exactly how the holy flaming blue he!! can a person in Columbus or Indianapolis support and vote for a person in Toledo or Cleveland? yet these UAW creeps do this every election!

      So tell me again how good a union is, but dont expect me to believe it!

  • mnphouka

    hey how do you get a check from the GOP every month? I want one2!!!

    • rs1123

      Why? Isn’t your check from the welfare department, your food stamps, your WIC, your housing assistance, and your ‘earned income credit’ refund enough for you already?

      • mnphouka

        sorry Guest, I work for a living. barking up the wrong tree with me dear. I get no government help, thank you very much for your caring and concern

        • Daniel Gray

          Sure…and we are suppose to believe that when you made your accusation? Typical left wingers.

    • rs1123

      I love unions. My two favorites are PATCO, and the one that represented thousands of Hostess workers. PATCO went on strike despite a no-strike contract and Reagan justly fired every air traffic controller who didn’t return to work; Hostess was forced to send two trucks (and thus two drivers) to each store, one for bread and one for snack cakes, doubling their delivery expenses.

      All the members lost their jobs. Good. I only feel sorry for the union members who did not want to continually strike.

  • anarchyst

    Most people are unaware that “right-to-work” legislation does not invalidate any union contract beyond the abolition of the “union security clause” which mandates “forced” union membership as a condition of employment and absolves the employer from liability for following this union “mandate”.

    Every other part of the union contract (collective bargaining agreement) remains in force.
    If unions offered good health insurance with reasonable rates, they would gain more members than they would know what to do with. Union purchasing of health insurance across bargaining unit lines would do much to lower the cost. There is indeed “economy in numbers”. Unions should research and exploit this area.
    It is curious to note that abortion supporters promote “the right to choose” for themselves while decrying union members the same “right to choose” (for themselves).

    I was hired by a major firm to maintain complex electrical and electronic systems. Within 6 months, my employer was able to eliminate the use of contractors. I had brought the repair operations “in-house” thereby saving my employer a considerable amount of money.
    My employer decided to reward me with a $2.00 per-hour “raise”. All went well until my “union” (who I was FORCED to belong to) found out about it. My “union’s” position was “if he gets a raise, everyone else in the bargaining unit must get a raise”. My “raise” was promptly rescinded. Efforts by my employer to create another “bargaining unit” job classification was met with hostility by my “union”. Here I am, FORCED to pay “union dues”, to a “union” that is keeping me down.
    It took TWO YEARS, upon the expiration of the “contract” , for me to get my “raise”.
    I have NO USE for unions and can stand on my own two feet to get ahead.
    P. S. I know about the “Beck” decision…most unions make it extremely difficult to utilize it…
    Right-to-work legislation is the best thing to happen here in the USA. It’s a shame that it cannot be nationwide…

    • GomeznSA

      Good points about the ‘if he gets a raise, everybody gets a raise’ mentality of most unions. I wonder just how much that incentivizes individual workers?? And of course that works real well with forced minimum wages as well…………..

    • Kevin O’connor

      Um…rtw forces decent dues paying union members to support free loaders….Your in sourcing of repair functions cost people their jobs…So why should a decent person want to reward you for it?

      • anarchyst

        The National Labor Relations Board attempted to exclude non-union-dues paying people from union bargaining units. The unions successful fought this proposal. The unions want it BOTH WAYS . . .

      • anarchyst

        So what??–I was loyal to my employer. The outside contractors had plenty of other work to keep them busy . . . What is your point??

  • sandraleesmith46

    I do believe it would have been appropriate to confront the individual who employed that disgusting epithet, as to whether he understood what it means, and, thus intended that insult, simply because we MUST stop allowing the left to dictate the terms of dialogue, or lack thereof. If he was simply parroting a term he’d heard used, then education would be the proper response. If he intended the insult as such, then you’d need to deal prayerfully as your conscience and God guide, but KNOW the other’s position clearly in order to do so, and allow him to know you do know what that means, that it IS inappropriate.

    • GomeznSA

      Sandra, in Joe’s account he did try to engage the small minded individual, several times BUT the union hack refused. You are correct, anyone not on the left has allowed them to dictate the definition of the terminology they use and the conditions of the dialogue.
      Joe, congratulations on securing a quality job AND for your willingness to ignore what was probably an intentional attempt at a confrontation. FWIW – I worked in a closed shop – once. The boss could (and did) operate in a dictatorial fashion as he knew – from previous interactions – that he could do whatever he wanted because the ‘union’ would always cave in to him.
      I’m glad I’m past having to work age as I’m not so sure I could be as tolerant as you seem to be.

      • sandraleesmith46

        I know; I did read the article; but he made no mention of confronting that vulgar term being used. Whether or not the guy wants to be friends, use of that term is very disrespectful and inappropriate and by not confronting it, we’re “consenting” to its use.

        • http://aimaiameye.blogspot.com/ Aimai

          If the term is so vulgar why did he use it in his own headline? Why did the tea party begin its life as a splinter group proudly describing themselves as “tea baggers” and why is it the fault of liberals that we called people the term by which they self described? Nothing stopped Joe the Plumber from advocating publicly for his political beliefs to his new union friends–why chase after a guy shouting insults when he was probably just expressing a friendly interest in Joe’s very public political and economic statements and expertise. Joe actually ran for congress, didn’t he? Is he ashamed of his views or unable to articulate them?

          • sandraleesmith46

            Precisely because he allowed the left to set the dialogue, which is the reason it SHOULD be confronted! Why that TEA Party person who started it did so I have NO idea; perhaps out of ignorance, or perhaps because he/she was a PLANT. Most members of the TEA Party don’t and would NEVER “self-describe” in such a vulgar and inappropriate manner. And I didn’t say he should “chase after” anyone, simply confront the other when the term was used. If he was “expressing friendly interest” he should accept that that term is NOT friendly, and change his manner of designation toward persons who differ in opinion from his own.

          • http://aimaiameye.blogspot.com/ Aimai

            You know: I had a TV when the Tea Party first began–it began with Rick Santelli’s rant on TV and continued when Dick Armey and Freedom Works began supplying the money to organize people when the Republical name brand was too tarnished. People absolutely “self identified” as “tea baggers” because it was a convenient shorthand for their Tea Party name and, of course, to the entire rest of the world it made sense. Then people, some people, a small number of people began making fun of its accidental double entendre quality. And you self identified Tea Partiers were embarrassed to look like fools. Get over it already. You are so thin skinned your party won’t last much longer. Democrats and Republicans are used to a little strong language and a few sharp elbows–they wouldn’t have been around as a party this long if they weren’t able to do so because “politics ain’t beanbag.” Joe the Plumber is the mascot you’ve picked, or allowed to have picked for yourselves, and you are stuck with someone who is so absurdly cowardly that he runs away hysterically rather than stand up for the political beliefs he professes to have, joins a union he attacks in order to get a job that pays him above minimum wage, attacks the minimum wage for other people, accepts the union organized health care while attacking the ACA, etc..etc…etc… He’s a hypocrite and a perfect sign of how morally and intellectually bankrupt his political beliefs are–even he can’t put them into practice!–and this is your standard bearer. So enjoy it already! What do you care what some other person calls him? He’s made himself, and your party, absurd all on his own.

    • rs1123

      He did confront the guy – and he just turned and walked away. Typical.

      • sandraleesmith46

        He said he tried to converse with him; not that he tried to confront him about the use of that derogatory label.

  • DJ

    Good luck

  • CHRIS J CHRISTENSEN

    I was lucky enough to work for a non-union company who continuously paid better wages and had better benefits than the union companies . Over 38 years they kept us ahead of the union companies with pay and benefits. We merged with several union companies over those years and to this day each time the unions have been voted out due to being treated well by the company. I do not say this will happen every time in every situation. I believe in trade unions in the private sector as a necessary evil to keep honest companies honest and evil companies honest for in an honest company you do not need a union. I am against teachers unions and government sector unions as the child is not represented in schools and the public is not represented in government unions.

    • GomeznSA

      You hit on the key factors, a company can (and usually does) thrive WITHOUT unions, provided of course that they have adequate wages/benefits and a quality work environment. Look at the ‘trades’ that fostered the growth of unions – few (if any) of them provided those things – and of course that caused the union growth.
      IOW, good companies don’t need unions.
      Hmmm, I wonder if anyone has studied how many union shops are listed in the ‘best places to work’ lists that come out…………

      • Jay

        “a company can (and usually does) thrive WITHOUT unions” LMAO!!!

        Sure, just like in China, Bangladesh and Vietnam!!!

        Look up “The Guilded Age” on Google. Do you enjoy a 40 hour work week? Safety regulations? Overtime pay? Child labor laws? You have unions to thank for that. Educate yourself a bit.

        Now, the irony of this GOP stooge joining a union shop and getting paid union wages and benefits is simply priceless.
        Hypocrisy at its best…

        • rs1123

          Yessir, the union has the word out to post against Joe on his column today.

        • GomeznSA

          Bwak bwak – regurgitated like the true union parrot that you obviously are.
          Pose me this mr. more educated than the rest of us (at least according to you) – since all US workers (those countries you mention can solve their own problems) ‘enjoy’ all those perks that unions (allegedly) obtained for all, WHAT purpose do they serve NOW?

  • Worried

    i would never accept a job if i had to join a union

    • rs1123

      I was in that position once and the day I was able to quit the job and the union was a wonderful day for me. I saw first hand what a JOKE unions are and was glad to scrape one off my shoes.

  • rchguns

    Anyone who is in the least bit knowledgeable of what the term tea bagger or tea bagging will understand how gross that term is.

    However the majority of the officials involved in the unions from the shop stewards all away to the top are definitely tea baggers in the first degree in the literal term.

    Unions have outlived their usefulness and the only people they help are the union bosses and those employed directly by the union. Plus they do protect the incompetent, the lazy, and the worthless employees will take up space because of seniority. Most employers realize that they have to treat their employees fairly or one of two things is going to happen. The union is going to move in and put the man out of business or he’s not going to have anyone working for any stock will go out of business.

    In three separate occasions when I worked for a union shop not only did they not help me one needed the assistance they facilitated my replacement. The first time because I was Junior on the job I was removed because the employer was required to hire a woman to take my position. At that time I work road construction as a laborer in the bimbo coed they hired cannot do the job and just took up space. In another Java was low-level management but I was still required to join the union and when the shop one on strike the management demanded I continue to work which I would’ve done anyway in the union wonder charge me $500 a day for every day I did work. You can keep the unions are useless and they are parasites.

    • Kevin O’connor

      You just self identified as being a hypocritical ,sexist,scab….I’m just sayin.

      • rchguns

        Spoken like a true believer. One more left wing parasite who believes the world owes them a living and that no one has the right to speak out against the socialist agenda.

        The problem with parasites is that sooner or later they kill the host ,in this case jobs and the country.

  • buzzman1

    I’ve worked with a lot of union guys. Its disgusting the communist mindset they have that the collective owns everything including the profits and the owners should get nothing. When you point out their feelings/opinions/believes are right out of the works of Karl Marx.

    • mmmjv

      Demanding the workers take a second pay cut while the executives get millions in bonuses and payraises, and then stealing the worker’s pensions and blaming them for the company going out of business does tend to give people a negative impression of the owners.

      • jtintx2

        GREEDY EXECUTIVES AND SHAREHOLDERS!! SOME ARE NOT!!

        • mmmjv

          Some executives and shareholders aren’t greedy? I never said they were. The fact is though the ones who are greedy it doesn’t matter how greedy they are because the rightwing will always be on their side against the union no matter what. The rightwing’s support of Hostess proves that

          • buzzman1

            Thats probbly because the unions are currupt and anti amererican and anti business. They have screwed over the american workers so badly most of our automotive work is now outside of the US. Millions out of work because of the greed of the unions. They don’t care about the works,its about their power and stealing money from union members.

          • mmmjv

            No, it’s because the rightwing has an intense hatred of working people. Just look at the applause Newt Gingrich got when he advocated taking jobs away from people. As far as being anti business why in God’s name should they be pro business? Are businesses pro union?

          • buzzman1

            JV, Did you just smoke a bowl or two before writing that idiocy? If not youre drunk. Conservatives are PRO Workers and PRO Business. We want to see people at work and businesses prosper so they can hire more people. Unlike people like you who believe in enslaving people to government welfare programs while driving up the price of doing business up so much employers have to outsource to other countries.

          • mmmjv

            No, they are NOT pro workers. People who advocate taking jobs away from people, like Gingrich did, are NOT pro worker. People who clap and cheer at the idea of taking jobs away from people, like they did when Gingrich said he was going to fire the unionized janitors, are NOT pro worker.

          • buzzman1

            You’re smoking dope again. I’ve had to supervise union workers in two countries and I have no use for any of them. The last time was a bunch of teamsters. Without going into the long story I informed them of exactly what the contract said in the area of firing them. And if they didn’t like it and decided to come talk to me one evening I’d just have to introduce them to Mr.1911 and his 8 friends. And if anyone behaved aggressively toward me at work I’d just get a restraining order against them keeping them 5 miles from me. I also informed them I live exactly 3.48 miles from the shop which means if they come to work at any time I would have them arrested which would allow me to fire them. And I told them if they don’t like it they could refer to my letting them meet Mr 1911. My problems stopped.

          • mmmjv

            Sounds to me like you were a real dick. No wonder they didn’t like you. The real question is how the hell does you’re being unable to interact with your employees without being a dick translate into the rightwing being pro worker?

          • buzzman1

            M,
            You obviously have never been a supervisor. You have people that are good workers and people that are lazy. You have to be a dick at times to make the lazy people work. The good people loved the fact I made the lazy do their share of the work. The lazy figured out I wouldnt put up with them not working and they would be unemployed so they worked. They also realized my actions were not personal. It was business and after they saw how well they were treated after they started doing their jobs they found life was good.
            The bosses above me were happy because productivity was up and that meant more productivity. Democrats are basically socialist/communist like obama who believes “you didnt build that business”. What a stupid piece of garbage that has never worked a day in his life or manages a business. Rather me taking up a few pages trying to describe how business, economics, gov’t regulation, taxation rates etc affect jobs and job growth do yourself a favor and take a business class and an economic’s 101 class. A simple lesson would be to do everything opposite of what obama has done.

          • mmmjv

            You want me to take advice from somebody who thinks a person who’s held the position of President of the United States for five years has never worked a day in his life? I think not!

          • buzzman1

            Puleeezzzz, They guy has taken more vacations than any prez in history, plays more golf and cant be bothered to attend his regular national security briefings. He pretends to be the prez. What was his voting record in the senate and when he was a state senator. He’s just a dope smoking idiot that is a national embarrassment.

          • Kevin O’connor

            You do understand that all of those foreign plants are unionized…except for the Communist Chinese,right?

  • andy

    I was one of the few outspoken conservative republicans in a union shop for a communications company that has three letters for a name. I have to say that I was tollerated and allowed to express my opinion openly and without fear. Of course, most of the guys I worked with thought the CWA was screwing us anyway. And they were. Go figger.

  • anarchyst

    We need national “right-to-work” legislation. No person should be required to join an organization in order to hold a job. Unions should be no different than any other organization and should have to put out its own EFFORT in order to gain members. “Right-to-work” laws do not change anything in a “collective bargaining agreement” other than the “union security clause” which mandates union membership as a condition of employment. Everything else in the contract remains in force.
    Unions are missing a golden opportunity by not offering health insurance. If unions were smart, they would offer good quality health insurance at reasonable cost. Unions have the power of numbers and could negotiate with health care companies to procure coverage across bargaining unit lines.
    Offer a good product and you will have people breaking down the door to join. “Right-to-work” legislation would not be a problem . . .

    • jtintx2

      http://www.nrtw.org/media/mam.php
      Follow this website and check for yourself what the administrators for the unions in this country make and it will piss you off!!

      • mmmjv

        Oh is it ok to get pissed about how much they make?? I thought that was class warfare?

        • jtintx2

          Only if you WORK for a living!! These people do not work they are minions for the democrat party!! You an Obama supporter? We have MANY non-union companies that pay far better than union companies!! It ALL depends on WHO you work FOR and how generous they are when it comes to paying their employees!!

          • mmmjv

            Those people do WORK for a living

          • rs1123

            Yes, it’s a lot of work calling people and sending them out to commit violence and hassle people and cause damage to property.

          • mmmjv

            That’s not what they do

          • standbehindtheyellowline

            Please, could you name the MANY non-union companies that pay far better than union companies, along with better benefits and pension plans. I would be surprised if you could list just 3 with the proof. Thank you.

          • standbehindtheyellowline

            The names and proof please. All I’m getting is crickets from you. Don’t have any I can see.

          • jtintx2

            All hut three of the largest electrical contractors. Cummings, Jmeg, Gentzler, Walker
            http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/28/business/28nummi.html?_r=0
            All of the largest general contractors: Beck, Manhattan,
            Austin, Byrne, Balfour Beatty, JE Dunn
            And don’t forget VW plant in Tennessee.

          • standbehindtheyellowline

            So, you really weren’t able to come up with any I see. No where in that article did it refer to better wages, benefits and better pensions than union workers. No, the VW plant in TN. does not make more money than it’s unions workers. Nor do they have a better benefits package or pension. Not here and not in Germany. Thanks for that effort, it just goes to show that if one wishes hard enough, they can see unicorns fly.

        • rs1123

          Sure it’s OK – it’s the members’ money they are raking in.

          • mmmjv

            Those are called DUES. It’s not like they’re stealing the money. So don’t try and pretend you’re not being a hypocrite by bitching about how much union executives make while also bitching that it’s class warfare to say anything about how much the CEOs make

    • mmmjv

      They do put out their own EFFORT in order to gain members. They need a VOTE to establish the union. The sole purpose of “right to work” is to weaken the workers by forcing the unions to give their services for free

      • anarchyst

        Not true. Agency shops have a captive audience in non-right-to-work states. In fact, false union complaints about “right-to-work” legislation conveniently leave out the fact that unions have demanded that ALL workers in a bargaining unit be represented, whether they are members or not. The National Labor Relations Board has on occasion tried to exclude non-union dues-paying bargaining unit employees; the unions fought against this . . .
        As I have stated in my previous posts, unions would do well to offer something of value, such as health insurance across bargaining unit lines. They wouldn’t know what to do with all the applications for union membership . . .

        • rs1123

          They could do great with the insurance idea, since Obama gives them preferential treatment and excludes them from conforming to his excremental ‘affordable care’ act.

        • Kevin O’connor

          Um…no…The Taft Hartley Act says that All unions must protect Every worker in the shop…whether they pay dues or not.

      • rs1123

        A union is a business like any other and they can go screw themselves for a change.

        • mmmjv

          If they’re a business like any other then why can’t they donate to political campaigns as freely as the others do?

        • rchguns

          Most unions would love to call themselves a business. Their actual concern for the worker, working conditions is nothing more than a protection racket just like organized crime.

          At one time unions were necessity in this country but they long ago outlived their usefulness. If a business is to be successful it depends on its workers because without the employees there is no production. But it also goes the other way without a business there is no jobs for the employees. To be a success it has to be a balancing act if you wish to keep your good workers you treat them fairly and take care of them. But when a third party comes in and tells the employer that he no longer has any rights and that as of now the union owns a shop because of the doesn’t cooperate they will close them down.

          The unions are such a good thing look at Detroit! It’s a ghost town in a shining example of what is that the core of unions. The union bosses and organizers have no skin in the game. They get their paycheck no matter what because they skim everything off the top of the people who actually do the work. Unions are parasites

      • rs1123

        “Services.” ROFLMAO.

    • rs1123

      Proud to live in a right-to-work state, and happy to see that VW America told the UAW to stuff their union.

  • fedup

    All the best Joe.

  • I_P_Frehley

    Joe, you work for Fiat, remember when LaBamba forced the sale instead of allowing a bankruptcy?

    • rs1123

      And how many mechanics, sales people and other staff lost their jobs when GM had to close huge numbers of dealers – privately owned, ongoing businesses – under the bailout scheme, courtesy of Obama and the Dems??

  • RAZORTOOTH

    I can say for a fact that NO I am not liked very much at all!

  • unbridled

    Good luck Joe….

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